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Ich bekomme Drohungen von einer Sinti, weil es verboten sei, diese aussterbende Sprache an Gadschen (Nichtsinti) weiterzugeben. Ab sofort wird jede Drohung der Polizei übergeben.

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28.06.2007

ich wusste nicht das es in autralien roma gibt.

was seit ihr eigentlich - zinte oder roma, gibt es deutsche zinte in australien?

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DE EN FR SP EO ..................

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Wieso

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DE SD

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Wahrscheinlich ein unerträgliches Leben gehabt hier

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Ava

gibt es uns auch hier in Australien.

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If you go to http://geocities.com/romani_life_society/

then go to the History

page, you can download the most recent write up on the Romani Origins

and Romani Identity.

2006 (580kb PDF)

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Vonnie

04.06.2007

For your interest.

The Romani Life Society Newsletter is available now as a free download in the 'announcments & links page' on the Romani Life Society website www.geocities.com/romani_life_society but baxt

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latschi chai

08.05.2007

Hallo

Latscho diwes, hoi kre denn?

das es hier dieses jetzt auf unsere Sprache gibt????

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Ja, offenbar...

ich versteh deine Frage aber nicht ganz?

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Latschi Chai

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Auf deine Frage unter der "Sprache" Zinti ...Es bedeutet soviel wie, was machst du ?

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Vonnie

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Es war keine Frage nur ein neuer link www.geocities.com/romani_life_society

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Vonnie

02.05.2007

http://www.geocities.com/romani_life_society/

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Vonnie

29.04.2007

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren!

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Roma websites www.geocities.com/daveauss www.geocities.com/romanivonnie

buht bacht ti sastiben from

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Roma und Sinti am Freitag, dem 4. Mai 2007, 12:30 – 13:30 Uhr in Klagenfurt, Sonnwendgasse 21.

Über Ihre Teilnahme bzw. Ihre Grußworte würden wir uns freuen.

Vorinformation: Do, 24.

Mai 2007, 19:00 Uhr, Aula der HAK International Klagenfurt „Roma und Sinti – Erinnerung und Gegenwart“.

Gäste: Ceija Stojka (Zeitzeugin, Lesung und Ausstellung), Amenza Ketane (Musik) u.a.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Die SchülerInnen der 1CHH

HAK International Klagenfurt

Kontakt und Information:

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HAK International Klagenfurt

Mosteckyplatz 1

A-9020 Klagenfurt

+43 463 511770-25

Fax: +43 463 511770-51

E-Mail: gernot.haupt (at) hak-international.at

HP: www.hak-international.at

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27.04.2007

The Dom of Eastern Turkey: Researching amongst the Gypsies o

The Domari communities of eastern Turkey, like those elsewhere in the region, are one of the least known of all the Gypsy communities in the world.

Largely absent from research carried out amongst Gypsy groups in the field of Romani Studies, the Dom of eastern Turkey have remained ?hidden?

from the view of the scholars and academics in the West since the letters of American missionaries in the late nineteenth century described in brief details their presence in these lands.

Little more has been recorded about them since this, with only the barest of details in modern scholarship, such as Ana Oprisan?s reference to them in her article of 2006, yet the community not only persists but is resilient enough to exhibit a strong self-identity, maintain its own language and culture, and confessional identity.

Yet this community, or series of linked communities are a vaguely perceived and misunderstood entity to those whom they live amongst, subject to many of the same prejudices that are associated with Gypsies elsewhere in the country and in the wider world.

Labelled as untrustworthy, venal, ignorant and feckless, their quarters are viewed as dangerous places where it is certainly unsafe for any non-Gypsy to be, and these prejudices persist in isolating, marginalising and excluding the vast majority of Dom who remain limited by their economic and social circumstances in ways that are both similar to, and distinct from other groups in Turkey such as poor or migrant peoples, often displaced by insecurity or economic collapse.

The Dom in eastern Turkey are by definition, the most marginal and excluded, the group whom all others can discriminate against with impunity and with almost universal acceptance.

Denial of basic services and provision is frequent, whether in education, health or employment, and cases of arbitrary treatment at the hands of law enforcement officers and government officials almost commonplace.

Local authority officers often deny their existence and there is a widespread conviction that the Dom represent merely a criminal underclass in Turkish society in the region.

What lies behind these prejudices and stereotypes is a lack of understanding and knowledge about the Dom, about their history as a people, shared yet in many ways distinct from the surrounding populations, their origins, similar in process to the Romani peoples of the world, their language and their culture.

This lack of knowledge effectively condemns the Dom to a position outside of Turkish society, only allowing the exploitation of very limited economic and social niches by the Dom and perpetuating their social exclusion.

The marginalised position that the Dom occupy is one that inhibits contact with the growing Romani awareness in the country as a whole, and atomises the various elements of Domari society into disparate groups, often competing for the same limited resources or opportunities for work (such as agricultural labour, or providing music for other communities such as the Kurds), both with these and between groups of Dom.

Local knowledge about the Dom within the midst of villages or towns, in many ways sympathetic to the plight of the Gypsies, itself competes with the dominant and ultimately more monolithic discourse of negative images and ?truths?

about Gypsies in Turkish media and the popular consciousness.

There are no Dom music festivals, or recognised groups such as the Romanlar have in Turkey, no popularised versions of Domari songs and tunes.

In brief, the Dom of eastern Turkey are the most invisible of all the Gypsy groups.

Yet in the old city of Diyarbakir, there are 14,000 at least of these Gypsy people, most of them speakers of Domari.

There are substantial communities in other towns and villages, many of them living in very bad conditions.

There is a significant level of persecution, abuse and even murder of Dom people taking place in the region; for example Dom children engaged as shepherds have been killed in the days before they were due to be paid by the villagers, or Dom women who marry Kurdish villagers and are subsequently killed when their identity is discovered.

Prejudice from the Kurdish community is especially virulent in this region, and of course the changes in traditions mean that the occupation of most of the Dom as musicians is being eroded by the aspirations to reinforce Kurdish culture.

The zurna (a kind of eastern oboe) and the davut (the big double-headed drums used by Gypsies everywhere in Turkey) are being replaced at the wedding ceremonies by the saz and the songs of Ahmed Kaya.

The Gypsy wedding musicians are fast becoming a thing of the past in eastern Turkey.

Impoverished, under-educated and despised the Dom are just beginning to establish contacts with Gypsies in other parts of Turkey, but remain largely outside the current of rising Romani consciousness both here and in the rest of Europe.

Most Roma do not even know who the Dom are, let alone that thousands of them live in fear and poverty in parts of Turkey, speaking a parallel language that maintains a structure predating Romanes and the descendants of Hindu populations forced to leave India two hundred years before the later ancestors of the Rom.

Its time that the rest of Romanipen acknowledged this Gypsy population, older and in many ways, more threatened than any other in the world.

Adrian Marsh, MA

Researcher in Romani Studies

University of Greenwich

Originally published in Swedish in 'É Romani Glinda', February 2007.

More information from domaristudies (at) mac.com.

I agree, the Dom are part of the Gypsy nation and it could only be benificial to learn from eachother's groups, even if we speak our own dialects and have our own group names.

The unity being that we all have the same roots originating from India will only strengthen us all in our fight to be a recognised and accepted ethnic peoples!

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25.04.2007

Great Roma songs and their translations...

"UŠTI, UŠTI BABA"

UŠTI, UŠTI BABA,

0 DAVULJJA MAREN,

0, DAVULJJA AVEN BABA,

MLJE PHENJA TE MANGEN.

MLJE TIKNE PHENJAKE,

E MAJ ŠUŽORAKE,

E MAJ ŠUŽORAKE,

BABA,

E,MAJ KELJAVNAKE.

"Get up, get up, father"

The drums are beating, father

The drums are coming, father

To ask for my sister

My little sister

The most pure one

The most pure one

, father

The best dancer

"ROMANO DIVE (ERDELEZI)"

SA 0 ROMA BABO,BABO,

SA 0 ROMA 0 DAJE,

SA 0 ROMA BABO ,BABO

HEJ, ERDELEZI,ERDELEZI,

ROMANO DIVE, AMARO DIVE.

"Romani Day (Hederlezi)"

Are dancing the hora

Are dancing the hora

They are making the day

All the Roma, father, father

All the Roma, mother

All the Roma, father, father

Hey, Hederlezi, Hederlezi

Romani day, our day

See new things on these websites: www.geocities.com/daveauss and www.geocities.com/romanivonnie

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